Uh oh. Looks like the visitors center project may be in deep . . . stuff, what with the construction bids being about twice as much as hoped for, and that’s without any of the nicer add-ons. It’s going to be tough politically to find three city commissioners willing to push forward with a project that has already caught so much flak. Any of you willing to come up with another $3-400,000 to make this dream a reality?
Is Visitors Center DOA?
October 1, 2007 by rebelgood
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I certainly hope this project is dead. This is so typical of the current leadership (and I say that loosely) of our city. They like to spend more money than drunken sailors (that is not fair to the drunken sailors to compare them to the leadership of our city). Everything they have planned in the past has changed or turned and they have lied to the residents about what will happen. Want an example or two? What about their great foresight in planning for the departure of the textile and apparel Industry. It was obvious back in the early ’90s that the textile business would be moving offshore…but what did the esteemed leaders of the city do…they expanded the water capacity at a cost of millions of dollars for nothing.
Another example is this. When they annexed areas recently that did not to be annexed…they promised police and fire protection and city water and sewage. What are we getting? City water and no sewage…no city police or fire protection. They lied and now they are going to give donations to the Surry County Sheriff’s Office and the Franklin Volunteer FD to keep us protected. Simply a lie from the beginning. All they want is tax dollars, they don’t care about us anymore. They don’t need to spend another dime. They should cut Mr. Brookshires salary by half if he was the only city employee that got a raise last year.
Please let this be the death of this STUPID project. Don Brookshire shouldn’t lose his salary – he should lose his job. Let’s hope a new group of commisioners get elected and that their first official act is to fire the city manager.
The Major is next in line – he will lose the next election based on all the comments heard around town this year. And the board of the Surry Arts Council should be ashamed of themselves for backing this – they need to be replaced and the ED of the Council should be removed immedately.
While we’re at it – let’s clean up the TDA as well and get rid of the ones that support Ms. Jones.
That would be a start to a return to sanity.
Pitiful pitiful pitiful. Poor leadership =poor decisons that’s a no brainer. Let’s hope that we do get some new commissioners in and they house clean. It’s odd how virtually every project mentioned in the past few years always ends up being more than the estimate. I think for the most part citizens are tired of this crap and can only hope that everyone gets out and votes next time and puts people in office who are actually for the people in Mount Airy for a change rather than being puppets for Mayberry……..
Amazing that each of the articles about this project always quote the same three or four people in opposition (Urbanska, Hester, Sickmiller, Oliver, etc.), and every one of them has a vested interest in the other possible sites. No conflict of interest there??? {BTW, Wanda, love the trick of having your house renovated using the dollars of your advertisers.)
Why should this collection be in our museum? This collection is not about the history of this area (which is the mission statement of the museum), but is about a mythical town written about by California script writers (who admittedly had never been here). The museum already has information about Andy’s real life here, but the AG Show collection does not belong there.
The alternate locations are always promoted by those who serve on those locations’ advisory boards (or their spouses).
This project would already be completed and our citizens and visitors could be enjoying it if we had not had the whole process bogged down by a “historical commission” that would, I assume, still have us with dirt streets and wooden sidewalks if they had been in existence years ago.
The city should definitely do an immediate redesign and simplification and get this project done ASAP! It is far too valuable to our community to allow it to “fester” any longer and to possibly lose this asset to somewhere else. (Just ask the downtown merchants or the museum clerks what visitors ask to see!!!)
PLEASE!!! Say we’ve stabbed a stake through its heart, shot it with a silver bullet and buried it on unsanctified ground. The idea was bad from the start, but it took months of study and debate and the final evidence of the bids to prove it.
Mount Airy has a lot of problems that $700,000 could help. Spending that money on a visitors center will help none of them.
While no one can discount the value of Andy’s connection to our town, I don’t think we can justify spending even half that amount on a building to house Emmett Forest’s collection when we have spent thousands of taxpayer dollars to build a museum that has offered to provide exhibit space and free admission. Whatever fictional town Mayberry may have been, Andy Griffith grew up here and his role as an American icon should be recognized there. (It’s the Andy Griffith Collection, not the Mayberry collection.)
The historic preservation commission has helped protect the beauty of this town, which is one of the things that draws visitors time and again. A modern building such as Scott Lowry originally proposed would have ruined the playhouse property. Protecting what makes us unique is one of the ways we can draw visitors, and new residents.
Suggesting that only a few people with a “vested” interest oppose the site is likewise way off base. If anything, the playhouse site would be closer for one of those named, and the others won’t see any financial reward wherever it is located. One might likewise question the motivation for those who have pushed so hard for the playhouse location and steamrolled over any other, less expensive suggestions.
The city had come up with a nice building that would have barely fit in the confines of historic preservation and the lot. It would have cost much of the natural beauty that visitors enjoy (good-bye outdoor jam area) and been a tight squeeze. At the original pricetag, however, it might have been a sale. At $700,000 it’s time to say good-bye to a bad idea and come up with a new plan.
Wow; There is so much wrong with that last reply that it is easy to understand why there is so much dismay about this project.
You are obviously someone who does not value tourism and what it means to our local economy.
First: It is the AG SHOW Collection. It is about the TV show; not the person or his hometown. Our tourism visitors know the difference; They want to see the SHOW memorabilia; Ask any of them (I have and have gotten consistent responses). You would know this if you had attended ANY of the Mayberry Days functions last weekend.
Second: The museum is a private enterprise (as any of its board members will quickly tell you), holds private fundraisers, and has been supported by very few taxpayers dollars. It is an insult to those who have worked for this museum to say it was done and/or funded by our local government.
Third, they do CHARGE ADMISSION.
Fourth, the financial reward will be for the entire area; not individuals. (See, that is pretty much the point of the whole thing to start with!). The original point was that those most opposed have a vested interest (not financial) in housing this very valuable collection in their favored location.
If we let this opportunity slip through our hands, we will have only ourselves to blame. We can either capitalize on this opportunity, or watch someone else do it.
To Concerned –
Look out where you jab comments about others when it comes to misappropriating dollars. SAC has done it for years, and if this Center gets built it will be another hole a million dollars has been poured into by the city, just like the “Blackmon Amphitheater.”
Hey – there’s a thought –
Why don’t you write a check and pay for the center yourself.
Concerned said:
“Fourth, the financial reward will be for the entire area; not individuals. (See, that is pretty much the point of the whole thing to start with!).”
Can you explain how the entire area will be financially rewarded?
To eureka4u2: The SAC also raises a very large part of their total budget through private contributions and fund-raisers. Their expenditures are overseen by a board of directors. What proof of “misappropriations” can you present? (Or is your statement just another typical small-town gossip tidbit?) And your thought about an individual or group “writing the check” could well happen; Thanks for the original idea! (Yes, that was sarcasm. I figured you would not get it on your own.)
To packrulz: You are obviously one of those who cannot comprehend the economic impact of tourism in our town and refuses to acknowledge the major emphasis that draws tourists here. Please don’t even CONSIDER that the very board appointed to oversee the use of tourism tax revenue dollars, which have to be spent on developing tourism, who are intelligent (for the most part) local business people, voted almost unanimously for financial support for this project. Heaven forbid any tax dollars be spent here on anything, even if it is already proving to be successful in bringing outsider dollars into our local economy, other than a vain attempt to lure some elusive manufacturing business here to save our citizens from the unemployment lines! (actually, that one was only partially sarcasm)
I can comprehend the economic impact of tourism for the area as I have lived in the area for 32 years now and there are rewards for some individuals but you still didn’t answer my question of how everyone is financially rewarded. Is the city sending out dividend checks to every citizen or something? I also question the intelligence part when you consider how the tax dollars are spent………
Our tax dollars are spent on unnecessary projects most of the time (I think they think it’s a game of Monopoly too bad the money is real) so I guess it would be in vain or heresy or something for leadership (and I use the term leadership loosely here) to actually even consider looking at potential employers for the area……..
In as simple a form as it can be put: “A rising tide raises all boats.” Just because a successful venture here does not put money DIRECTLY into your pocket does not mean that you (and all other citizens) don’t derive benefit from it.
We need efforts on all fronts here to “raise our tide,” and it just so happens that tourism is one that is currently VERY SUCCESSFUL.
There are many ongoing efforts to bring businesses and employers to this area. Call the Chamber of Commerce or the Surry County Economic Development Commission and ask about them. If you have a better and constructive idea, I’m sure they would love to hear from you.
So actually not everyone benefits from it then. It’s not my job to bring industry to the area, and it’s not my fault individuals cannot do their jobs. If I could, I would bring industry to the area, or if I was being paid for it I would at least try. Tourism is the only thing that is successful because that’s all that’s focused on. It all boils down to leaders lacking a vision and being too one-dimensional. Tourism is not the solution to everything. but unfortunately not everyone realizes that.
To concerned:
First: Hate to disillusion you. I was at Mayberry Days on three separate occasions and saw a lot of people having a good time and spending money in town WITHOUT THE CITY SPENDING $700,000. I also have seen the display of Andy Griffith memorabilia both in its present setting and at the original location. I didn’t notice that they had removed the suit he wore in Matlock or the copy of the “What it is is football,” pictures from his visits home and other memorabilia. If they have, then they only have part of the collection on display. A shame if we’re only recognizing part of our favorite son’s contribution to entertainment and performing ability just to focus on “Mayberry.”
Second and third: check with the town and county commissioners. See how much public money — yep, our tax dollars — was pledged to the museum. It will have five zeroes. It’s not all private, any more than the SAC, which also receives tax money, grants, etc. They do charge admission, but have made the offer to provide a space without an admission charge for the collection (pay attention people).
Fourth: Everyone pretty much has a vested interest in their “favorite” site and working to sway leadership to their point of view. Blaming Hester, Urbanska or anyone else for speaking out or being willing to be a target is petty. That has nothing to do with a conflict of interest, which you suggested.
There are better ways to spend less money and we need to explore them and do the right thing for the collection and our visitors.
packrulz: Please go back and carefully read my last post. “Bringing industry back to our area” should certainly be an emphasis (and it is), but it should not be our ONLY emphasis.
dogwlker: I’m not at all disillusioned. I do however know what the wishes of the current owner of the collection are (as would you if you had asked and not depended totally on the crap you read in both of our local “scare headlines” newspapers).
I know that this collection is being offered to the SAC and can be a VERY valuable asset if we can just find a way to build a suitable facility to house and PROTECT it. Placing it in the museum IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE OPTION (call them and ask them if displaying this collection would fit within the outline of their facility mission statement. It would be totally out of character with any other exhibit they have there.).
Placing it in the Moore house (which is out of the TDA district, is in financial trouble, has rotten access, would cost a bunch to renovate for protection and security, etc.) is not an ACCEPTABLE OPTION. Why not? Ask those who are involved and can provide answers for you and you will be surprised at what you find out. Goodness knows you’ll never find out from reading the papers. The reporters who have covered this story certainly don’t want to do any “legwork” to get to the truth. (Other than sending threatening emails to city officials; Boy, that really worked well.)
As far as the museum, the actual city tax dollars spent there is very small relative to the total spent on that facility and relative to the total city budget. The same is true for the SAC. Both are very worthy of what they have been budgeted (and probably more).
No one in their right mind thinks $700k is a reasonable expense, and that is why the project is currently being re-evaluated.
I read your post. Bringing industry back is NOT an emphasis to the area. How someone can say that it is an emphasis to the area is beyond me. That’s why leadership is so one-dimensional they only see and think one thing: tourism and Mayberry…
Wow that’s an ignorant comment packrulz.
There are a lot of people trying to bring in and support business and industry in this area and to suggest that they’re nonexistent, not doing their job, or only doing it for selfish motives like you have been on this blog is just insulting — to those individuals and the community at large.
I’ve never heard someone being called ignorant for wanting the best for their community. No, harping on Mayberry and tourism is ignorant when the people of Mount Airy/Surry County are in desperate need of jobs. Who are some of the industries that are being recruited since everyone is trying so hard? I’m not doing anything for selfish motives; it’s the leaders and others associated that do that.
I have to agree with packrulz. If there are people seriously trying to bring more industry to Mount Airy, they are certainly not being successful. The city and county leaders should have seen this coming long, long ago. Maybe our wonderful city manager was too busy counting his big salary!
To Concerned:
Here’s an “acceptable option” –
Send the collection to the University of NC archives where Mr. Griffith has given all of his memorabila and willed the rest of his collections.
It belongs with the rest of his things in Raleigh.
And – just call a spade a spade. If Ms. Jones wants a new building so badly just confess, and ask for a new Arts Council building. Citizens would be alot more ‘OK’ with the truth than all this veiled bs about it.
Oh – and by the way, how on earth would the public know anything about the SAC’s budget. As a 501 c3 the budget and each specific salary in it is supposed to be availible to the public. Yet no one can gain access to actual numbers or the SAC books. The Arts Council receives state AND federal funds as well as private donations. All of these are supposed to be published annually in an accurate and legible manner.
Let’s find out exactly what is received and what is expended. Let’s see how much of the SAC budget will go to the ‘care and maintainance of ‘the collection’. If the city isn’t going to maintain it, then who is going to pay for it? SAC? How much will it cost annually? What will ‘conservation’ costs be over the years?
You people act like Mount Airy is the only town in the nation with this problem. At least you have the tourism. Without it you’d really be living in a ghost town.
We are living pretty much in a ghost town when you consider the lack of industry and working age people who have moved from the area. I’d be the first one to move if I didn’t have to stay here.
To eureka4u2: Your option of sending the collection to Raleigh (or Chapel Hill) is certainly one that I am sure the owner has and is considering. I would not blame him one bit for doing it, but it would end any possible chance of local benefit from having it here.
To packrulz: Your arguments reek of “what is in it for me.” I truly do understand your frustration (every citizen here has the same feelings), but if you apply the exact same criteria to the successful recruitment of an industry here, you would get the same answer. If you don’t directly work for that employer, then you have no DIRECT benefit. The same is CERTAINLY true of tourism. But that does not mean that our entire community derives no benefit from it, or that we should ignore the FACT that it is currently successful in bringing outside dollars into our community. CAN YOU AT LEAST ADMIT THAT MUCH???
Consider these FACTS: Over the last 5 years, the number of employed Americans has increased by 7.12 million people to 138 million. Service-related jobs have gone up 8.56 million nationwide while construction and manufacturing jobs have declined by 1.44 million workers (source: Department of Labor).
SO: Where is the most likely area of employment increases and where should our recruitment dollars be best spent? Whether we like it or not (and we don’t), manufacturing and production type jobs are declining NATIONALLY; this is not a local problem. It was not created by our local officials, and we cannot exect our local officials to FIX it.
Government has never been capable of CREATING jobs, only in fostering an environment which allows private business to grow and create the need for jobs. (Please go back to basic economics; This is why communist governments inevitably fail and go bankrupt.) Our local candidates who want to “create jobs” only scare the crap out of me.
As for tourism, the sector contributes almost 78 million dollars a year to the local economy of the county as a whole, and that translates into abuot one and three quarters million in local tax revenue. That sounds huge, but it is not going to take care of the thousands of former textile and furniture workers in Surry County. When it is taken as an important element of a plan to move beyond low-end manufacturing for a global economy, and not used by slow-witted politicians and self-interested players to hide their lack of ideas and vision, then progress can happen. The investment of scarce money has to be careful and ethical.
Comment #21 raised an important question as to the lack of public access to the required financial information from SAC.
“Concerned” seems to know a lot about SAC, so please enlighten us.
Concerned said:
“Your arguments reek of “what is in it for me.” I truly do understand your frustration (every citizen here has the same feelings), but if you apply the exact same criteria to the successful recruitment of an industry here, you would get the same answer. If you don’t directly work for that employer, then you have no DIRECT benefit. The same is CERTAINLY true of tourism. But that does not mean that our entire community derives no benefit from it, or that we should ignore the FACT that it is currently successful in bringing outside dollars into our community. CAN YOU AT LEAST ADMIT THAT MUCH???”
I never said no one benefited from tourism. Merchants and the employees they pay wages to surely benefit. A job in tourism is ideal to a 16 year old kid or college students working for money to pay auto insurance and gas. Check wage statistics: it’s crappy pay that no one can support a family on. Just be thankful that the candidates even mention jobs something that current leaders surely aren’t doing. I never pigeon holed the loss of manufacturing and production jobs to our particular region as I know it’s affecting everyone but our area is doing the least about the situation that was my point all along. How do you explain leadership sitting back and doing nothing to combat the situation given the fact that they knew back in the early 90s that job loss was on its way?
Obviously ‘Concerned’ is an insider – if not employed – by the SAC. As to their comment about the AG Collection leaving town – I hope it does. It needs to go to Chapel Hill/Raleigh area and get it out of her for good. The owner needs to send it there where it belongs and move on. He needs to realize that the natives of this area dislike the Mayberry association and anyone who chooses to propagate the myth. So if he wants to continue to roll in this debauchery, then he needs to be ready to accept the utter distain residents will continue have for him and the others, including the hellish SAC denizens, that are obsessively bedeviled into having it here.
If tourism could be built here, then build it upon the nature, beauty and quality of the area and all of the REAL cultural resources it has to offer. Not some old tv show that will not outlast the death of all its aged, infirmed and dead ole actors.
eureka4y2 – what is the dang problem with building tourism on both the nature, beauty and quality of the area…as well as building it based on the fact that one of Mount Airy’s native sons is cultural and television icon. Why condemn one of the main reasons the town is what it is? I don’t get it.
You’re right Ben – you don’t get it! The next generation – those that are already 20’s and 30’s – don’t know and don’t care about Mayberry and the AG Show. So what do you think is going to be the attraction here in less than a decade – once the actors are, thankfully, all dead and gone and today’s young people become tomorrow’s professionals. They are not going to ‘get it’ either and they will be visiting/moving to the surrounding areas in this county that are promoting the REAL culture and beauty of this area.
And by the way – this town is not “what it is”. Mr. Griffith has publicly aknowledged on MANY occasions that Mayberry is NOT Mount Airy and the show was NEVER based on this town. So guess what – “the town is what it is” is a totally false assumption on your part. It is only tied to Mayberry because a few control freaks want it that way. The native citizens of this community HATE the Mayberry thing and want it to die.
Eureka4u2, you stumble on the real issue. But it isn’t that the AG personalities are so old. It’s that the crowd they attracted is ageing out too and weren’t big spenders to start with. What’s being done to develop new and younger customers, hopefully folks who can afford a long weekend of winery crawls, concerts, shopping, renting canoes or cabins, and leave wanting to come back or send friends to visit? Andy gave us an easy hook for jump starting tourism. Businesses have to reinvent themselves every 20 years for new customers. The money needs to go into advertising everything that’s here, not building a temple.
eureka4u2, while I’m not a personal fan of Mayberry either, you’re way off base. I’m not sure what you’re trying to do by making wild accusations about the Surry Arts Council, to the point of demonizing them, then spontaneously accusing “Concerned” of being a SAC minion, but please stop.
If you really want to know what income they’re bringing in, and how they’re spending it, their Form 990 tax returns are freely and easily available online, that is if you don’t want to ask them for a copy.
I don’t think the owner of the collection needs to realize anything, it’s his property and he can do whatever he wants with it. I think the “natives of this area” clearly don’t have a problem with being associated with Mayberry, and would probably hate him if he sent his collection off to Raleigh/Chapel Hill.
Sure there are people who want to move beyond Mayberry, but this is the same community that essentially demanded to be recognized as Mayberry when TV Land put a bronze Andy Griffith Statue in Raleigh. Then there was the Barney Fife Statue attempt, not to mention all the businesses that try to profit off of Mayberry connections…
As Ben pointed out there’s nothing saying we can’t target different types of tourists, there’s actually a lot to encourage it.
My 5-year old loves the Andy Griffith show, loves coming to Mount Airy so he can walk down Main Street and look in all the shops, loves the mountain scenery, loves to eat in the restaurants and get ice cream, loves the attractions like JEB Stuart’s birthplace and loves the fact that Dad loves Dry Bridge Station just as much as he does. I will do everything in my power to continue to encourage the values in him that I have learned from watching the show, initially with my grandfather, over the last 35 years. I have been to MANY Mayberry Days festivals and I see all walks of life and all ages, so that theory doesn’t hold any water at all in my opinion. Also, recently Andy Griffith has changed his tune somewhat concerning the fact that the show IS, in fact, loosly based on Mount Airy. Mark W is right on the money. You people are way too bitter. Lighten up.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2003-11-10-mayberry_x.htm
“The people in Mount Airy got to saying, ‘Well, it was based on Mount Airy,’ and that’s gone on so long that I guess it just was based on Mount Airy,” Griffith says.
If you go into the the Visitors Center located in the old Bank Building on Main Street you all would realize that visitors like myself are coming for the Mayberry theme. I did not even realize Mt. Airy was close to Wineries but once I arrived and was greeted by the wonderful ladies at the center and they told me about everything in the area including local wineries, entertainment, shopping, outdoor recreation and everything to see in do in the surrounding area. It would be horrible if your town lost the Andy Griffith Collection as it was one of my favorite attractions.
Is the collection available to be seen now? Has anyone asked the Main Oak Emporium if their business has increased since the collection was put there temporarily? I’d like to know if sales have increased inside the actual building where tourists are going to see it.
If so, that is great! People are flocking to downtown Main Street with their wallets open! Do we know what they buying? How much are they spending?
But if not, do we expect them to view the collection then walk, get in their cars, or hop off the bus to spend money somewhere else?
I haven’t talked to many in the “general public” who don’t agree that the museum is the most logical site for the collection. It is already there. They will protect it and cherish it and maybe tourists will discover something else great about MOUNT AIRY while they are there. It is a part of our heritage because we’ve made it so, but we have so much more to offer. If we want to be a tourist destination, we could use all the money the City/TDA have laying around to move in other directions. We need more than daytrippers.
And if we took alot of these bloggers’ advice, we could expand our little town to be somewhere those visitors would like to live! Then they would move their companies, buy houses, pay taxes, go to the grocery store, spend discretionary income at Lowes on Saturday mornings, buy cars and furniture!
Well, back to my point, has the collection made a difference in its present location?
The Mount Airy History Museum doesn’t want the collection, and they’re not going to get it. While your general public might want it there, the Mayberry Collection doesn’t fall into the scope of the Museum, and I’m pretty sure they’re on record as saying that. Secondly the Museum isn’t going to change their business model to meet the conditions for hosting the Mayberry Collection. As I understand it the collection, wherever it gets placed, it is to be on public display with no admission charged.
I believe that originally the museum said they wouldn’t be able to house the collection free of charge. Since then they have said they are willing to host it for free, although I think it might require a bit of reorganizing on their part. They have come out saying that they would love to play host to the collection.
Mark, you’re missing some info. The Museum made a written offer a few months ago to house, protect, and professionally display the collection on its ground floor . . . and not charge admission to see it. The public was reminded of this offer only this morning by local paper.
After all, what more logical place for it than the museum?
Maybe they’ve changed their minds.
If they put the AG at the Museum where would they put it? Someone would have to pay for them to redo the first floor because It is full. What about parking?
To #40:
According to newspaper articles over the past few months someone already has paid for it.
The museum received a substantial private gift earlier this year to use in renovating the 3rd floor. Things will be moved around then to clear some first floor area, which is where the museum has offered to display the collection.
In addition to the museum parking (which also includes tour bus spaces), there’s a municipal lot directly across street and another just ONE block away behind Emporium (remember the new Dixie st parking is TWO blocks away from the proposed miserable VC location).
To the Uniformed Mark W:
“their Form 990 tax returns are freely and easily available online”
They are NOT availible online – unless you have a URL to graciously post for us. And the 990 return does not post all indivividual salaries. All of this information is supposed to be availible for the public by any 501c3 non-profit organization and SAC has made it a policy to NEVER publish it.
So maybe YOU should make it availible to all of us since you know so much.
Demonize SAC – yes – because the ED acts this way to others and all other organizations that she percieves as competion. NOT how a non-profit is supposed to act. Do you even know how disliked the SAC is by the majority of residents in this county?
90%.
90%? Eureka4u2, you may be charitable, but I think we are both holding back on what we know on the subject. The back stories have a very cheap and nasty soap opera flavor to them.
Re: the museum, from what I can tell there are two voices from the museum. The board of directors who have been making the offers, and the people in charge of operations who have been against it. They could have changed their minds however. There’s nothing wrong with the museum holding the collection if they want it, but it doesn’t solve the problem of a visitor center, which is more important than where the collection goes.
Here’s the return, since you’re too lazy to get it yourself.
Surry Arts Council 990 tax form for 2006
Btw, I read somewhere 79% of statistics are made up on the spot. If you’re going to demand I provide sources to back up my statements, then you should start doing it yourself.
I think since we’ve gone this far we may as well bring out the soap opera back stories. Let’s hear them Greyhound and Eureka!
packrulz said: “We are living pretty much in a ghost town when you consider the lack of industry and working age people who have moved from the area. I’d be the first one to move if I didn’t have to stay here.”
It’s still a free country until Billery is elected president. There’s still time to leave. If “have to” is part of your vocabulary, you’re a puppet!
Thanks to public outcry, the beast has been slain.
Sandman said: “It’s still a free country until Billery is elected president. There’s still time to leave. If “have to” is part of your vocabulary, you’re a puppet!”
No, “have to” is being an only child and having a sick parent…….
Point taken………..I give. You have my admiration for taking on that resposibility.
God Bless
No more slamming unless GH74 deserves it. 😉
I hope it’s dead, but fear its just sleeping.
According to the paper, mike king’s comments were that he hoped something could be done in future with TDA funds plus private donations. Wonder how much we can count on Mike for?
If you want to see their 990, go to this website and put in Surry Arts Council. It’ll give you the last 5 years up to 2006. The second page of this gives you the total salaries paid.
http://tfcny.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/esearch.php
“If you want to see their 990, go to this website and put in Surry Arts Council. It’ll give you the last 5 years up to 2006. The second page of this gives you the total salaries paid.
http://tfcny.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/esearch.php”
Well that shut the true minion up for awhile! LOL
“The back stories have a very cheap and nasty soap opera flavor to them.”
Yes they do! And now that so many people know who eureka really is, I have heard something is missing from the front porch.
And she speaks of sanity? Now that’s a hoot coming form a crazy woman that should have been committed long ago.
BTW, she’s not a native………………… 😉
See yas……….. LMAO
For someone who complains about bashing and not thinking before speaking you seem to have no problem doing it yourself……..
“For someone who complains about bashing and not thinking before speaking you seem to have no problem doing it yourself……..”
Show me one example of me complaining about bashing! Time’s up! Now shut up!
“Show me one example of me complaining about bashing! Time’s up! Now shut up!”
My point is proven thanks…………..
Can everyone agree to DISAGREE?